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John Collins5/7/2012 4:41:00 PMIt is interesting that WMB even continues to mention this book, "I Was Not Disobedient To The Heavenly Vision." The dates of his 'commission' and the story of how the commission came about do not match his life stories:
This ground tonight, this very spot, holds a great thing for me. Since I knew that they built this school auditorium here, I have wanted to have a service in this place. I'm very grateful to the school board and to those who graciously let us have it.
It was upon this spot, right about somewhere where this building stands tonight, that a great thing took place some thirty years ago, right on this same ground. It was nothing but a broom-sedge field at that time. And I lived in a little house just beyond here, about two hundred yards. I was very concerned in those days about the salvation of my father and mother. Which, both are gone on tonight. And especially, in that day, I was concerned about my father. I remember, I was sleeping on the porch. It was warm, summertime.
13 This is written, I believe, in the little book called Jesus Christ The Same Yesterday, Today, And Forever, or either it was in the little book called I Was Not Disobedient To The Heavenly Vision.

He gives his ever-changing account of the 1933 baptism, this time with the angel of the lord seen in public:
Just about six months after that, I had my first baptism down here on the river, when the Light came down right here at Spring Street. Many of you people might want to go down and take a look at it, at Spring Street and water, right at the riverfront. And there is where the Angel of the Lord appeared in public, first, and at two o'clock, one afternoon. And a Voice came from it, said, "As John the Baptist was sent to forerun the first coming of Christ, your Message will forerun the second Coming."

When WMB first spoke of this to Gordon Lindsay, there was no angel, and there were some 130 people around:
At the baptismal service which followed the revival, some 130 persons were baptized in water. It was at this time that a heavenly light appeared above him as he was about to baptize the seventeenth person. This was witnessed by the vast congregation that stood looking on, by the banks of the Ohio River.2

The dates of his retelling range from 1931 to 1939, the number of people range from 130 to 5000, and oddly enough the commission date of 1933 above conflicts with the 1945 date mentioned in "I Was Not Disobedient To The Heavenly Vision." as his first commission also mentioned above. You can read more about this in this forum and in the book 'Legend of the Fall' on

WMB's next statement conflicts with most of the New Pharisee pastors of today:
When the Message first started out, it was, of course, everybody; was praying for the sick, great signs, wonders, and miracles. That started, especially in the Pentecostal people, a universal revival of a healing campaigns that swept the world. For fifteen solid years there's been revivals on every hill there is, I suppose, revival fires a burning. Literally millions have accepted Christ as their Saviour, by that one commission. That inspired, from there, to Oral Roberts, and so forth, and on and on, as it's went around.

WMB himself admits that many went around healing the sick and afflicted, as does the 'Voice of Healing' magazine that WMB created to have writers tell of his own great works. MSG pastors today seem to think that their little churches are the ONLY ones that have divine healing -- which is simply not true. God heals, not man.

The interesting part here is the fact that WMB says "When the Message first started out." What was that 'message?' He never really comes out to say what this 'Message' that God sent him to give to the end time church was! Bring your hearts closer to God? ALL churches teach that!

He says that when Jesus came with His message, the people followed the healing -- but left when he brought His message:
Now, it's hard to get in a church for a sponsorship, just as it was with our Lord Jesus, 'cause it's Him; it isn't me. But as He preached at the first, and healed the sick, raised the dead, and cleansed the lepers, and cast out devils, everybody wanted Him. But there come a time where there's a Message that always follows every sign, because the sign has a voice.

This is not Biblical. John tells us that during his 'healing campaign' the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.

At the end of the days of Jesus, there were even more people than during the healings. As they walked into Jerusalem there was a multitude! "And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way." (Matt 21)

It is HIGHLY interesting that WMB gets into the Trinity. Not against it, but ACCEPTING IT! This single statement is EXACTLY what the Trinitarian churches believe!
Now we understand, also, that God is perfected in threes. Now, God is "perfected" in three. "Grace" is five. Seven is "completion," like the world.
God is perfected in Father, Son, Holy Ghost. That's the perfection of the Godhead. All one God.

Notice in this one statement alone, he contradicts himself AND the Bible:
That's why the Rapture is different, and will only be for the royal Seed of Abraham. It cannot come by the natural, carnal seed of the church. It'll have to be the royal Seed of the Word of God, through Abraham, the royal Seed. That's why the Rapture has to be first.
Cause, remember, "We which are alive and remain shall not hinder, prevent those which are asleep. For the trumpet of God shall sound, the dead in Christ shall rise first. We which are alive and remain shall be caught up with them, together, and meet the Lord in the air." Notice, and again it's written, "And the rest of the dead lived not, for a thousand years."
Therefore, there, they will not be heirs together. They'll not be in the Rapture together. There is absolutely a church natural, and Church spiritual; a church carnal, a Church spiritual.

Here's what the Bible says about it:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(1 Thessalonians 4:17)

He then says that Abraham's seed will not go through the Judgement:
There is no Judgment to the royal, spiritual, predestinated Seed of Abraham, for they are predestinated to Eternal Life. They have accepted God's provided Sacrifice; and that Sacrifice, which was Christ, the Word.

This is not Biblical. Here's what the Bible says:
Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28

So then WMB gets to the heart of the sermon. Tying it to the Kaballah's doctrine of serpent's seed, showing how sex was evil, and the bloodlines were doomed to begin with:
Sarah, the true wife of the promise, being the tassel, brought forth a gentle man. In the returns, brought forth a promised nation that served God. []
But, Mary, by no sex at all, but believed the promised Word; when she was a virgin, knowing no man. And the Angel of the Lord met her, said, "Hail, Mary, blessed art thou amongst the women, for God is with thee."
And she said, "How will these things be?" He... She said.
The Angel said, "The Holy Ghost shall overshadow thee."
It had never been done in all of the ages, but Mary believed God. And she said, "Behold the handsmaid of the Lord." She believed the Word.
How is she going to have it? She knowed that Hagar had the baby by a sex desire, with Abraham; and Sarah had the baby by sex desire, with Abraham, children of promise; the bondswoman and the freewoman. But here she is asked to believe. That's a contribution to the faith that was in Abraham, who believed the impossibles, "As long as God said it's so, that makes it right."
She believed God, never questioned. She said, "Behold the handsmaid of the Lord. No matter how much criticism I have to bear from the world, be it unto me according Thy Word." There come forth the genuine Seed.

Sarah could not do it, because it was sex. That's right. And neither could Sarah, because it was sex.

Contrary to MSG popular belief, sex is NOT evil. God told us to be fruitful and multiply BEFORE the fall.

Though the hearts of the men in come bloodlines turned to idolatry, it was not the blood that was the problem; it was because the hearts of the children chose the way of the fathers and that way did not lead to God.

Let's see what the Bible says about it:
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place
Acts 17:26

WMB then starts changing the very nature of Jesus according to the Bible. This is the worst doctrine ever brought forth by WMB, because if Jesus did not come and take our place as a man, then he died on the cross as a God -- which essentially means that we have no salvation. Fortunately for us, this is not the case.

It is interesting that there is a section of this cut out without one of those hidden '[blank spot on tape]' markings, because I would be interested to hear him finish that train of thought. ...I'm sure there was a purpose behind that snipping of tape:
Mary, the true one, said, by the... -out sex,
Notice how more like the real Thing, Mary was, but like the shuck. The shuck hugs the seed in itself and protects it, and nurtures it until it's standing alone, mature. So has this third church age (of Pentecost) matured, holding this Grain until it's time to open up the shuck. Mary, being the mother of Christ, just a incubator.
He was no blood of Mary; He was no blood of Jew; He was no blood of Gentile. He was the Blood of God. God created this Blood. It could not be sex. He wasn't Jew nor Gentile.

Let's see what the Bible says about Jesus not being blood of Mary or being a Jew:
"When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" John 19:26
"The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." Matthew 1
"He came to his own, and his own people [Jews] did not receive him." -- John 1:11
"You worship what you do not know; we [Jews] worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22
"For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests." Hebrews 7:14

WMB Then uses one of the most infamous twistings of scripture, one that he uses constantly throughout his ministry:
Notice, see how close it looks. Matthew said, Saint Matthew 24:24, said, that, "The two spirits in the last days," the church spirit of the church people, and the Bride Spirit of the Bride people, "would be so close together till it would deceive the very Elected if it was possible." That's how close.

This is blatant twisting of scripture to make his point that his "bride" were the seed and the denominations of today were the "shuck."

Let's examine this scripture to see if it speaks of a false church and a "bride" church:
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:24

What Bible was he quoting from? This is speaking of false prophets, which is very interesting when you consider that not a single prophecy given by WMB was accurate!

He then compares the denominations to 'hawks' and the 'bride' to 'eagles'. This comes from one of his misunderstandings of the Bible scripture in the KJV that says "Where the carcase is, the eagles will gather.":
Hop along like a vulture, eating dead a carrion on the ground! Yes, sir. He is too soft to take the rugged beyonds, anymore. Hops like a vulture, and eats vultures' food. That's what it is. That's right. Until, he's begin to look like a vulture. He acts like a vulture. He ain't no more a hawk than nothing. He is more like a vulture than he is a hawk. A hawk is supposed to sail; not set on a telephone pole and watch for a dead rabbit, and then get down there and pop up-and-down the road like a vulture.

The correct translation of that passage is "Where the corpse is, the vultures will gather." See a post in this forum for the full information, but when read in context, these are large birds feeding on the dead corpses after the tribulation has came and Armageddon has happened.

Here is the sequence in Matthew 24:

1) Jesus warns of deception
2) He warns of false Christs, or annointed ones
3) He warns of wars
4) He warns of persecution
5) He warns of false prophets
6) He warns that love will wax cold
7) He says that HIS GOSPEL (not some other's message) would be preached to the ends of the world
8) The end will come
9) The coming of the Son of Man
10) The vultures eating the remains, or corpses.

WMB then goes into his 'church age messengers,' telling how they only made it so far and then 'denominated' before they could reach the fullness of Christian life:
Wesley failed the same way as Sarah did, doubting the supernatural Birth being the baptism of the Holy Ghost, as Sarah did at the oak tree. When Wesley was introduced to the supernatural, when the Pentecostal age come on and Wesley was introduced to speaking in tongues and all This, they laughed and made fun of It. All you church of Christ, and you, so-called, and you Baptists, and Presbyterians, every one of you, turned your nose up, on It, and went away from It. Right. What'd you do, Wesley? You sold your child to an organization, and it died and perished. That's exactly right.

John Wesley would roll over in his grave to know the slander that WMB has done towards him for all these years, and the millions of people around the world that now believe it because of WMB's deception

In his comment on Matthew 3:11 Wesley remarks
He shall fill you with the Holy Ghost, inflaming your hearts with that fire of love, which many waters cannot quench. And this was done, even with a visible appearance as of fire, on the day of pentecost"