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65-0118 Seed of Discrepency

John Collins5/5/2012 2:54:00 AMThe "text" of this sermon came to WMB on top of the Catalina mountains (he says) of one word: discrepancy.
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And I went down and found the word of discrepancy, so I got the dictionary and looked what the word discrepancy means. And it means it's "sowing discord," or--or, "being contrary," as Webster says, "sowing a discord, something different," or, "being contrary to what's already been." So I thought, the text tonight, I'd call it: The Seed Of Discrepancy. And trust that the Lord will bless His Word now as we approach It.
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The definition of the word has remained the same since 1623, and has nothing to do with "sowing seeds of discord" as WMB claims. Discrepency means nothing more than finding a variance:
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: 1) the quality or state of disagreeing or being at variance
2) an instance of disagreeing or being at variance
Webster's Dictionary

"Sowing seeds of discord" is something that is planned, an evil work. This phrase means to create internal conflict within the enemy. Secretly sow discord on the enemy's friends, families, etc.

WMB goes on to say that the spiritual gifts in the other churches can be explained by God pouring out his spirit on the "unjust," taking a scripture out of context:
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Another place in the Scripture where it's written, that the rain falls on the just and the unjust.
I remember my first experience of ever coming amongst the Pentecostal people. I was at Mishawaka, Indiana. And I was at a great convention, a hall about like this, where the North and the South had come together. Because of them days, of the segregation, they had to meet up there. They were two great orders of the Pentecostal brethren. I had never heard of them or met them before. The first time I ever heard speaking in tongues. And at the end of the row, of the convention... Me being not a member among them, I was just a young Baptist minister, I set way back in the back. And I remember the first time I heard anyone speak in tongues, I didn't even know what--what it was all about. And then these two men, mainly, set up in the front, one would speak in tongues and the other would interpret what the man said. Well, I just started studying my Bible as hard as I could, there then, and found out that that was Scriptural. That's exactly what the Scripture, the Holy Spirit would do.
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The scripture WMB is referring to is this:
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Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5:43-48

This scripture, when read in context, is not speaking about spiritual gifts of God being given to the "unjust," it is speaking of God's instruction to love our enemies with Divine love, as we are all under the same sun and the same rain.


Although it is a minor thing it should be pointed out that this part of his story conflicts with his other accounts of his past:
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Well, about a day after that... That night my heart was so stirred. I slept in a cornfield. I didn't have enough money to get me a--a--a bed, so I just had enough money to get home on, and I got me some doughnuts, couple days old, or rolls, it was, and for my breakfast.
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WMB bought a brand-new chevy (or ford according to some accounts), and had plenty of money.
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"In 1933. I just got a 1933 Ford, and I dedicated it that morning to the Lord."
Teaching On Moses, May 13, 1956, Jeff., IN,


He then goes on to describe how one speaking in tongues was a genuine Christian, and the other was .... oh no .... remarried. But his only proof of this fact were the children:
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After that, why, I thought, "If I could only get where these two main men was that spoke in tongues and interpreted!" That was burning me up in my heart, I wanted it so bad. Well, as I've told you at the beginning, a little gift that you pull over. You know, gifts and callings are without repentance, you have them all your life, see, you're born with them, if they're gifts of God. So I always, since a little bitty baby, it always happened to me, people who knows me all my life, they know that's true. Well, if I thought... I didn't know what it was then, and call it a vision, I just didn't know what it was. But I thought, "If I could ever talk to them!" Well, and the spirit that was in the building felt like it's really the Spirit of God.
So I--I got to talk to one of them, and I asked him a few questions, and he was a real genuine Christian. There was no doubt about that, that man was a real believer. And the next man, when I talked to him, if I ever met a hypocrite, that was one of them. That man was actually... His wife was a blond-headed woman, and he had children by... two children by a black-headed woman. And I thought, "Well, now what? Here it is, I'm--I'm all mixed up. I'm a fundamentalist; it must be the Word, or it isn't right. And here's that Spirit, one rang out, according to all I know, genuine; and the other one was no good at all; and the Spirit falling on both of them. Now, how can that be?" I'd, it had me puzzled.
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Don't get me wrong, it is adultery (in some cases) to remarry. That being said, it is also not the unforgivable sin. Remember the Bible books describing either God's instruction to marry a harlot or Jesus himself saving a woman with five husbands.

WMB himself earlier read how a solid marriage could produce a "black baby," because of earlier genetics.

He then goes on to reference the book of Hebrews:
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Two years later, I had been praying in a cave where I would go to pray. Got dusty in the cave, and one afternoon I walked out, laid my Bible on a log, and the wind blowed It open to Hebrews, the 6th chapter. Which said, that in the last days, how it would be if we fell away from the Truth and renewed ourselves again unto repentance, there was no more sacrifice for sin, and how that thorns and thistles, which was nigh unto rejection, whose end is to be burned; but the rain cometh upon the earth, often, to water it, to dress it; but the thorns and thistles would be rejected, but the wheat would be gathered. And I thought, "Well, it just the wind happened to blow that open." Well, I just laid the Bible down again. And I thought, "Well, now I'll just..." And here come the wind and blowed It open. That happened three times. And I thought, "Well, now, that's strange."
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First thing to comment on is the 'cave' and 'dusty' -- this place is also described as a cabin with a wood floor.

"Snipping" parts of that chapter out of context, it seemingly fits WMB's purpose, but the wind cannot blow the words off the page to that meaning.
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1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 6

There are multiple interesting things to note here:
  • This entire chapter is speaking out against those that place their faith in the works instead of the doctrines of Christ
  • It condemns those that doe these works and have not gone on to greater things
  • It tells us not to debate on the baptisms (notice the plural 's'), which most MSG churches still debate with 'outsiders'
  • It tells us to look at the fruits that are produced (and make sure they are not thorns)

He goes on to read from Hebrews 6:
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Notice in verse 41, the two also very close, so close in the last days till He didn't do... He could not depend on some certain church to separate them, say, the Methodist or the Baptist, or the Pentecostals, to separate them. He said, "He sends His angels to separate them." An angel is coming to bring the separation, the segregation between the right and the wrong. And no one can do that but the Angel of the Lord. He's the One that is going to tell which is right and which is wrong. God said He will send His angels at the last times. Not angels down through here, but angels at the last time, and would gather together. We know that this is the coming harvest time now. Now, an angel is actually interpreted a "messenger." And we see that there is seven angels of the seven churches, and now... no, through the church ages.

We all know that when WMB is referring the 'two spirits' he was referring to Matthew 24:24: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
But notice how this verse is twisted to fit WMB's purpose. It does not speak of organizations or even false churches. This verse is talking about false christs [anointed ones] and false prophets. Those who have prophesies that do not come to pass, those who twist the truth to deceive.

Also, 'angel' is NOT interpreted as a 'messenger'. WMB considered himself the messenger for the last age, is he trying to say that he is an angel? Are Gabriel or Michael the archangels men?

He then goes on to say that each age has its own 'seed':
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Now He said, "The Seed of God, the Word of God." Jesus said, in a certain place, that "The Word is a Seed." And every seed will bring forth of its kind. And now if the Christian, the children of God, the children of the Kingdom has become the Seed of God, then they must be the Word of God, the Word of God manifested in the age that they're living in, for the promised Seed of that age. God gave His Word at the beginning, and each age has had its Seed, its time, its promises.
Now, when Noah came on the scene, and he was the Seed of God, the Word of God for that age.
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Using Noah as an example, that may be somewhat true. Noah was at the end of an age of this world. A new age started, and we are looking to the end of this age when the Battle of Armageddon comes. But the truth of the matter is that Jesus spread the 'seed of this age', which was the Good News that He died for us, rose again, and we can all be saved by faith in Him. There is no new 'seed' that will be planted at the end.



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Notice, their seeds grew together just exactly like God said over here also in the 13th chapter, of our text tonight, of Matthew, "Let them grow together." Now, Cain went to the land of Nod, found himself a wife, and married; and Abel was slew, and God raised up Seth to take his place. And the generations started moving on, between right and wrong. Now, we notice they gathered, each one of them, time after time, and God had to... It got so wicked till God had to destroy it.
But they finally came forth until both of those seeds, the seed of discrepancy and the Seed of God, put forth their genuine heads, and that wound up in Judas Iscariot and in Jesus Christ. For, He was the Seed of God, He was the beginning of the creation of God, He was nothing less than God. And Judas Iscariot was borned the son of perdition, come from hell, returned to hell. Jesus Christ was the Son of God, the Word of God made manifest. Judas Iscariot, in his discrepancy, was the seed of the Devil, come to the world, and for deceit; just like he was at the beginning, Cain, his former father.

Judas only played church. He wasn't really sincere. He didn't actually have faith; he'd have never betrayed Jesus. But, see, he sowed that seed of discrepancy. He thought that he could make friends with the world, mammon, and also have friendship with Jesus, but it was too late for him to do anything about it. When the dead hour came, when he did this evil thing, he crossed the separating line between going forward and returning back. He had to go on in the way that he went, as a deceiver. He sowed the seed of discrepancy, he tried to find favor with those great organizations of that day, with the Pharisees and Sadducees. And thought he'd make hisself a piece of money, and would be popular among the people. If that doesn't cause so many people to get in that discrepancy, trying to find favor with man! Let's find favor with God, not with man. But that's what Judas done when this discrepancies headed up in him.
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It is mentioned in another thread of this forum, but WMB earlier said that Judas was saved and lost his salvation. That directly conflicts with this statement.


WMB then goes on to show how the orthodox churches are the works of Satan.
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The enemy joins church and becomes very orthodox in a creed or something. But that's not... That's discrepancy, anything that interferes with that strain of genuine Truth of God's Word.
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It is mentioned in another thread of this forum that the 'church angels' WMB 'chose' were all orthodox and tried their best to bring people together to the Truth. Irenaeus devoted his life towards keeping the Gnostic teachings (which produced some of WMB's teachings) out of the church.


He then says that Balaam was part of the 'seed' because he tried to organize the churches of his day:
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What happened? The church just got started out of Egypt, on its feet a few days, and what happened? Satan come along with his discrepancy in the person, the second Cain, which was Balaam, and he sowed discrepancy amongst them. We know that's right. That Balaam, the teaching of Balaam, that "we're all the same, we serve the same God you do,"
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Since WMB seems to use this example of Balaam multiple times in his comparison to the organizing of religion, I recommend everyone go back and read the story of Balaam. He did not try to join people together, he gave advice on how to send harlots and idol worship to them so that God Himself would smite them down with a curse.


WMB gives a false reference that not many people are aware of:
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But I'll tell you, friends, that's only a type of the genuine Opium from the Lily of the Valley that I know of. He is the Lily of the Valley. He was squeezed out on Calvary.
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It's given multiple places on tape, but opium comes from poppy seeds. You cannot squeeze opium from a lily pad.

We should ask ourselves: After comparing all of this to the Bible, do we find any discrepancy?